The use of Centurions in the UCM fleet

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NiciusMax
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The use of Centurions in the UCM fleet

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I really like the Centurion. I have three of the limited edition sculpts for my UCM fleet.

However, I cannot get them to work properly. I play vs PHR most of the time. The turrets should be good at punching through the armour and the hitpoints and armour of the Centurion should serve me pretty well vs PHR.

However, I never feel like I get proper milage out of them. I've been using them as single ships or in pairs.

Vs PHR I feel I need at least and escorting Jakarta to boost their point defence, possibly two. But that means I can pair them with a Lima to buff their scan range.

I tend to use them as artillery support, but I guess I'm using them wrongly.

Any other good tactics for these ships. Maybe use them aggresively as Linebreakers with support from Taipeis?

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There are two posibble effective uses of Centurion in the UCM fleet I came up with:
1) you can put your admiral there as it is the cheapest ship that opens Vanguard battlegroup and has both great surviability and low perceived threat;
2) these ships have the same Weapons Free output as Moscow, but are cheaper and hardier. The problem is that it is located in side arcs. So the best use of these features is to dominate the centre of the board on turn 4 (so you get critical locations points from their high SR). Low point cost as well as limited frontal firepower make it easy to use them that late in game.
Of course you can combine these two approaches. The only support Centurion needs is Jakarta (that can also be used to light up targets for other battlegroups - if you are behind debris field you can do the same with Centurion. Do not bother with these 2+ railgun attacks - even on Weapons free these are too few to matter, but will unreasonably light up your ship before it can really shine. Also Tai-Peis are better in lower SR battlegroups. If you want snipers, Kievs and Osakas will serve you better.

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Re: The use of Centurions in the UCM fleet

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Doktor wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:47 pm
There are two posibble effective uses of Centurion in the UCM fleet I came up with:
1) you can put your admiral there as it is the cheapest ship that opens Vanguard battlegroup and has both great surviability and low perceived threat;
2) these ships have the same Weapons Free output as Moscow, but are cheaper and hardier. The problem is that it is located in side arcs. So the best use of these features is to dominate the centre of the board on turn 4 (so you get critical locations points from their high SR). Low point cost as well as limited frontal firepower make it easy to use them that late in game.
Of course you can combine these two approaches. The only support Centurion needs is Jakarta (that can also be used to light up targets for other battlegroups - if you are behind debris field you can do the same with Centurion. Do not bother with these 2+ railgun attacks - even on Weapons free these are too few to matter, but will unreasonably light up your ship before it can really shine. Also Tai-Peis are better in lower SR battlegroups. If you want snipers, Kievs and Osakas will serve you better.
I haven't thought of the Centurion as a flagship, but that certainly makes sense in smaller battles since it is the cheapest vanguard option for UCM.

I've had trouble with getting Centurions where they need to be without suffering heavy losses. I tend to use 1 Centurion on approach vs PHR, since they become a prima bomber target and are a significant threat.

I think 1 or maybe even 2 Jakartas are mandatory to ensure they get where they need to be in one piece and even then you need launch support I think.

I want to try a battlegroup with 2 or 3 Centurions with 2 Jakartas as support. That should bring their point defence atleast up to respectable levels.

The Taipeia where not ment to be in the same battlegroup, but more as and additional threat for my opponent to deal with. But getting multiple Centurions and a large group of taipeis in a fleet is proven to be difficult.

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The point is to use debris fields on approach to shield Centurion until it goes Weapons Free in the middle of the board. Loosing just 2 2+ attacks means that this would not reduce your fleet firepower. Jakartas are always nice, as well as fighters from backfield carriers, that would not have any meaningful targets for bombers anyway.

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Re: The use of Centurions in the UCM fleet

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Might be interesting to silent run them up the board untill they can go weapons free.
Somehow I always want to take a pair of Centurions instead of a single one, except maybe as a cheap flagship

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